October 20, 2007
An SBA guarranteed loan workout…what can be done?
Posted by Donald Todrin under Blogroll, asset protection, business development, business workouts, debt workouts, solving difficult business problems | Tags: effective strategy, guarrantors, loan default, offer in compromise, offer in settlement, SBA default, SBA guaranteed loans, SBA loans, SBA requirements, SBA workouts, spousal co-guaranty, wife signed, workout negotiation |There is this urban lore that I frequently hear that states that SBA loans cannot be worked out, paid off short with a compromised conclusion and with forgiveness of the shortfall.
It ain’t so. It can be done.
It is difficult, as with any workout negotiation, and one must have a clear undrstanding of the SBA’s rules and requirments, however it can be done successfully if the situation is handled correctly and the timing is correct.
In fact the SBA (Small Business Administration) has its own offer in settlement forms, a committee which accepts and rejects and it is even willing to indirectly, through your corresponding banker, negotiate a fair resolution for a defaulted loan. Thats both good and bad as its both the bank and the SBA that must be satisfied and each has its own rules and requirements.
The SBA does however have some strong requirements that are fast and hard and must be understood to avoid wasting time and being frustrated.
1. The SBA requires that the breaching business no longer be operational when an offer is made. This is also an important part of the strategy and must be evaluated very carefully as to how this is handled in order to serve your own best interest. This is not cut and dry but subject to many options.
2. All the business assets must be liquidated, and this is an important part of a workout plan, which must be handled effectively and can be accompished in your own best interests.
3. A significant legal effort to recapture any potential cash must have been implemented before an offer will be contemplated. There is some flexibility here, but not much.
4. All the guarantors, including your spouse if he/she signed the guarantees must deal with this issues effectively and completely. If not a spouse, then each guarantor sinks or swims on their own merits. If the debt is guaranteed by both spouse, there are greater difficulties which must be worked out effectively and can be.
Each guarantor must file his or her own offer in compromise and create their own negotiation settlement.
Frequently this also becomes a source for negotiation as we want to resolve all the issues in one global resolution for all parties involved. This may can be a challenge.
Keeping in mind, that the bank actually lent you the money, the SBA merely guaranteed the payback up to 80%, but since the SBA will pay the bank, they require the bank, as its agent, to exercise all due diligence to collect as much as possible or the bank may potentially violate the terms of the guaranty and lose the payback guaranty opportunity. This is the source and reason for a tough bank collection practice and attitude.
Your lending bankers support and cooperation is important in developing a successful workout, and without a good banker relationship a good workout conclusion is diminished although achievable.
The overall principles remain the same, maximum collection under the financial circumstances of the borrowers situation.
It takes time, as the review committee is in Virginia, and services the entire country. It is a political beast and over the years, depending on various political issues, they can be easier or harder to workout loan shortfalls.
At the moment I believe they are suffering many losses thus they want to stem the flow of loss, but their mission is to support the system and the borrowers so the results are mixed, mostly depending upon the quality of the preparation and presentation, tough but fair I would say.
The SBA is very busy and reviews files in the order they are received. They typically ask for additional information, once under review, to better understand the financial condition of the guarantors and thus it can be an extremely long procedure, which can take many months, even years.
Once reviewed, negotiated to conclusion and accepted, I have had great success in modifying the acceptance further, the “second wave” negotiation I call it, adjusting the terms and conditions and even lowering the payoffs further then agreed, based on the realities of the refinancing or source of funds requirements (lenders requirements if you are refinancing to support the workout).
This second pass is very important and can yield extraordinary results.
My best advice is to protect yourself as best you can with effective financial planning before the notes are called and before the business closes and the assets are liquidated. You want to be in control of this process and in the end it will work out best for you. A pro-active strategy is what works best.
You know were you are headed before anyone else, thus pre-emptive planning is critical for the best outcome for the borrower.
Hire someone experienced and therefore knowledgeable regarding the practices of the SBA and such workout scenerios and it will all work out.
Additionaly, there are sometimes serious potential tax consequences regarding workouts and forgiveness of debt which can be quite devestating and must be considered throughout the workout negotiation, or one runs the risk of solving one problem while creating another almost as large. Remember debt forgiveness is convereted to ordinary income for IRS purposes and income calculations. There are strategies around this as well.
I would be delighted to review your case and without obligation make recommendations.
Call me 413-687-8388, we can discuss your specific circumstances and design an effective strategy that will yield the best results.
I await your call.
March 20, 2008 at 01:32 p03
Donald,
I would like to discuss my case with you…(312)622-1242.
Thanks!
Trevor
March 21, 2008 at 01:32 p03
Trevor,
cease legal activity, your wasting time and money, fill out the offer to settle package and enter into a dialogue and negotiation directly with the SBA. Call me for details and strategy, I would be delighted to give you more insight and assistance.
Don
March 26, 2008 at 01:32 p03
Don,
I would like to discuss my case with you. I opened a ice cream franchise and had a CIT loan that was SBA backed. The loan was to an LLC I created however, I signed a personal unconditional guarantee. The store is shut down after losing $5,000 a month for approx. 3 years. All my equipment has been sold by CIT. I made payments for the first year and half then we were trying to restructure the loan giving me time to sell the store. I’m now at the point of trying to settle. I’ve already lost alot and I’m not sure what amount CIT would accept.
March 26, 2008 at 01:32 p03
Linda, I would be delighted to discuss thius with you, however I must ask you more about your personal financial condition.
The answer is in your presentation based on effective preparation and what your financial condition is. Please call me on my cell phone 413-687-8388 and we can discuss and determine an effective strategy.
don
April 7, 2008 at 01:32 p04
Don,
I purchased a Pizza Franchise that went bad and I am completing the SBA offer in Compromise paperwork for Comerica. I would like to speak with about the best way to present our offer in hopes of getting it accepted. We only have about 10% cash compared to the amount owed. I trying to get wise advice before making the offer.If you could drop me an email I will call you aor give you my cell phone #
April 12, 2008 at 01:32 p04
Don,
My family owned a travel business. They applied for an SBA loan - I was required to sign due to the fact that I was given ‘birthright shares’ (<0.2%) of the company. The company went under, the SBA loan went onto my credit (the company apparently was never officially ‘wound up’), and so I had my attorney contact the SBA point of contact and figure out a way to settle this. At this point we have done everything she has asked - provided documents, financials, met all of her deadlines, etc, etc. It seems that now we cannot get her to move on the settlement offer on her desk (the amount of which was suggested by her). Any ideas or experience as to how to get them to settle ?
April 13, 2008 at 01:32 p04
Your bank representative, the actual lender is in control of the process , however even when the Offer in Settlement is submitted it will take the SBA a few months or longer to consider and respond. There is not much you can do about that so hold tight and wait it out.
DT
April 30, 2008 at 01:32 p04
Mr. Todrin -
Thanks so much for your wisdom. I too am a franchise that is getting ready to close. (love those franchises!) I was planning on going to the bank myself to offer a settlement, but was advised to get a lawyer. Will that help me? My husband signed with me and guranteed it. (he has a good job) Will they want us to sell our house or delve into our personal stuff to let us settle. We also have a home equity which we probably can handle, but not both it and the SBA. Trying to stay free of bankruptcy. Please advise. Thanks!
May 1, 2008 at 01:32 p05
Please call me, there is much I need to know before I can properly evaluate your situation and provide you with a viable strategy. I would not recommend you hire a lawyer now unless its a workout specialist with specific experience in this matter, and then I am not sure why you would need such support. Lets talk and i will walk you through the best strategy possible, 413-687-8388
Don
May 19, 2008 at 01:32 p05
Mr. Todrin
You are a BEAM of light. I had a small real estate company that tanked….surprise surprise. I have two pending forclosure with an outstandind SBA loan for 100k that I cant pay back. What if any I can do. I hear so many possible things but i need some filtering of the smut….I need a lawyer but cant find the right one. Is bankruptcy my only option? Am I doomed?
Please advise!
718-807-1058
May 22, 2008 at 01:32 p05
Donald,
I’d like to discuss with you details about options on a $350K SBA loan which payments are currently current, but the company will be discontinuing operations within days.
Please call: 323.273.1919 at your earliest opportunity.
May 26, 2008 at 01:32 p05
After the bubble burst (T) and 911 hit (K), my media company was economically devasted. As well as everyother business in this industry. The war in Iraq was the “0″ in the TK0. Since my business (and home) are located in a contiguouus county to Arlington (Pentagon), My company qualified for a 911 disaster reilf loan. MY compnay never made, was dissovled, and I had to file personal bankruptcy. I have been unable to pay a dime on it. 500K. The SBA has been fairly ammenanble, and we are going through the O&C process. My house barely has the equity to pay the SBA (second lien holder).
What are the chance of them giving a complete foregiveness based on my personal financial condition, need to sell home, and find another dwelling for wife and 4 kids, etc…
May 26, 2008 at 01:32 p05
I need a little more info but at this point it seems a though you should be able to escape with a small payment. Call me I would be happy to work this out with you and develope a viable strategie. 413-687-8388
Don Todrin
June 3, 2008 at 01:32 p06
Could I contact you in regards to the SBA loan I currently have? It is for a small amount, and it is a candle business. We are still in operation, but we are trying to stop the bleeding, so we will have to shut down within the next couple of months.
I want to know what my options might be, and it the Offer in Compromise is something we should consider. My husband is an architect, and he has a good salary. So, any help would be appreciated.
I have been in contact with my loan officer and she is willing to rework the loan to whatever I can pay per month.
June 4, 2008 at 01:32 p06
Of course, call me at 413-687=8388 and i would be glad to help you work out a strategy and a plan
don
June 5, 2008 at 01:32 p06
Mr. Todrin,
Planet Smoothie Franchise in Arizona.
$235K invested.
$190K loan.
80% backed by SBA to M&I Bank.
Opened Jan 2006.
Divorce Nov 2006.
She ran business into ground.
I was a personal guarantor.
Dec 2006 sold our home. Bank sucked up a huge chunk for loan.
Jan 2007 sold business to John Doe on structured payments.
He defaulted, store permanently shut down.
M&I has taken over assets.
Current balance on original $190K loan is $67K.
M&I has all the equipment, etc., but probably we are talking $5-$15K. M&I is fully covered.
I make good money: $140K but ex-wiped me out and have little to no money or free cash flow.
What offer in compromise would likely be accepted?
Ex-wife is bankrupt.
I may call your number posted above if that’s okay I hope.
June 5, 2008 at 01:32 p06
I need to ask you a few more questions and then I can propose a strategy and project a likely conclusion, call me on my cell phone 413-687-8388
don
June 9, 2008 at 01:32 p06
Donald,
We have an SBA loan of $49K for our closed construction company in California. We are currently under 4 lawsuits from other vendors (auto, credit card, vendors). We are defending ourselves because of no money. But should a lawyer be used when dealing with SBA?
June 9, 2008 at 01:32 p06
My approach does not require a lawyer. depending upon your net worth, income stream etc, if you are as upside down as I am guessing you are, you should be ale to negotiate a small settlement for a release from all your business debt. Same with SBA, as long as you are upside down,( negative net worth, liabilities are more then your assets) fill out the offer in settlement form and propose an affordable payoff, say $2500., to $5000. and then require payments over time to afford it and this could work fine, call me if you want to discuss your details i would be glad to discuss a strategy more specifically.
don 413-687-8388 cell
June 9, 2008 at 01:32 p06
Don-
My husband took out to SBA loans for his restaurant which has since gone out of business. One for $60K and the other $40K. How do we obtain the offer in settlement forms and what are realistic amounts the SBA accepts?
June 10, 2008 at 01:32 p06
You should get them from the loan oficer you got the loan from, if the collection process is in legal, you may get them from the lawyer who will get them from the lender. I can provide you with a copy however since the loan officer is your contact and is representing the SBA ad his opinion counts, it is best if you talk with him/her and discuss your desire toi go this path. the loan officer should be cooperative .
as for what you can expect, it depends upon your net worth and ability to service debt. thats the two benchmarks. call me and i wild be glad to help you with the forms and with an appropriate offer. 413-687-8388
June 10, 2008 at 01:32 p06
Don, thank you for the information. As part of our defunct construction company we had leased a warehouse for 5 yrs @ appx $9k a month. We were luck that we were able to sub-lease and have positive cash of $300.00 a month. Does this effect our offer to SBA? And affect our out of business status?
June 14, 2008 at 01:32 p06
Don,
I purchased a new finished shell retail center with SBA loan iao $1,835,571.00 included $139k for the coin laundry equipment(the equipment total is $450k), I had come up $170k at closing for the equipments. As a new finished shell retail building, it cost $200k for the coin laundry finish-out, deduct the incentive of $51k from the seller, there will be $150k of shortage. The contractor had done $27k worth of job then stop because I can no longer pay. I had put $24k downpayment with equipment company which they denied my order to the lender. I tried to get addition loan and get none. I am 3 payments behind, the lender sent me letter stated that I misused the sba fund and is committed a Fed. criminal case.
Do I need a lawyer for civil case or criminal defense.
Please advise. Thank you.
June 14, 2008 at 01:32 p06
DON,We started a small furniture interior design business and received a sba loan which we personally guarenteed with our home.we recently closed the doors on the business,we don’t want to lose our home and we don’t want to stiff the bank.what can we do?we can’t afford to pay the monthly note.will the bank work with us?
June 14, 2008 at 01:32 p06
Yes there is much which can be done, I need more information regarding your personal ballance sheet and income statement , equity etc…then we can determine the best strategy possible. Call me and we can discuss this further. I would be delighted to help.
Don 413-687-8388
June 24, 2008 at 01:32 p06
I have a grocery store with real property, which is backed by SBA loans 75% gurantee. I am about to default on SBA loan. I have colleteral and property, which can be sold around $375 to $400K. I have loan amount $500K. If I want to negotiate with my lender to lower the principal amount so I can happily operate my business what should I do? Please let me know. I would appreciate your help. Thank you.
June 26, 2008 at 01:32 p06
Donald
I found your web site using a Google search. I am in the midst of an ongoing problem with a local lender over an SBA loan that has gone into default.
I had a successful mortgage company for many years but the downturn in the economy- and our industry in particular- took the company with it.
Based on the criteria you laid out, we appear to meet the workout guidelines but the bank is adamant saying that “nothing can be done’
Please advise.
Thanks
Meir Horowitz
Mortgage Market Resources, Inc. (now defunct)
June 27, 2008 at 01:32 p06
Believe very little the bank says, as they are negotiating against themselves in this situation so of course there answer is pay up…what would you expect, but the real bottom line is of course there is a workout available and you can successfully navigate this issue “with a little help from your friends”…me.
call me lets talk…we can work this out.
don 413-687-8388
July 16, 2008 at 01:32 p07
Our family business took out a 900k SBA loan to complete(we expanded our current bowling center) a Family Entertainment Center and unless we find another investor within the couple of months we will be forced into bankruptcy. I own 33% of the business and had to sign all of the personal gaurantees when taking out the SBA loan. With that being said, I have a home with a mortgage of 132k, the house is worth 210k. I am trying to sell my home now(much below what it’s worth). Will I be able to sell it or does the SBA have a lien on it?
July 16, 2008 at 01:32 p07
Hold up for a moment, there is much at stake and many options exist for you to consider with conclusions that are in your best interest that may not be obvious. Call me and with a little more information I will suggest a few strategies that will work for you…
don 413 687-8388
July 17, 2008 at 01:32 p07
Hello Don,
I purchased a franchise and had a CIT loan (700,000) that was SBA backed. The loan was to an LLC that my partner and I created however, I signed a personal guarantee, with no collateral. The store is now shut down after being in business for less than 2 years. All my equipment has been sold by CIT (-30,000). CIT has sent over the offer to compromise, and the balance on the loan is still over 650,000. This company was my sole income, in which I’m now unemployed. I’ve exhausted all the money I have on living expenses. Is there any way they will forgive the total amount? And does the franchise normally forgive monies owed to them as well?
July 17, 2008 at 01:32 p07
How do I find a SBA loan workout specialist to help me with a loan workout? Is that a common practice for lawyers? Finances specialists? Debt specialist? I would hope to find someone local, but I don’t know how to search for one.
July 18, 2008 at 01:32 p07
While there must be others, based on the number of requests for such referrals that I receive daily, I may be the onl one out there!. Actually I have done many SBA workouts and believe that you do not requre a lawyer unless he/she is experienced in SBA workouts, its not a legal issue but is a specific workout with its own unique parameters.
I would be delighted to help you evaluate your situation and recommend a strategy and if you want some direct, hands on help I would also be delighted to provide same. I do this all the time.
don 413-687-8388